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Outgrew users on DBA classic
07/23/07 at 19:50:36
 
We have recently outgrown our 5 users on DBA Classic, and have been told that if we purchased additional users we would also have to purchase add'l pervasive software V9 as well as the DBA licences.  Do you think that it would be wise to upgrade to a new version of DBA?  What would be the major differences and would it be easy to convert Classic over?
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Re: Outgrew users on DBA classic
Reply #1 - 07/24/07 at 06:03:25
 
It depends on what you need/want out of your software. If you are satisfied with the Classic is doing for you, don't bother. If you want any of the features available only in Evo, then only you can evaluate whether it's worth the price (dollars and time) to upgrade.
 
Some of the features I find invaluable in Evo:
Direct email of forms
Adding database fields to RTMs
True multi-tasking, even multiple of the same program open (ie SO-A)
Customized menus by user, AND fast-switch hot keys (F1 for SO-A, Ctrl+A for AR-A, etc)
and many others that I'm sure I'm now taking for granted.
 
See http://www.istechsupport.com/evolution.php for more info - you can even get a free trial....
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Re: Outgrew users on DBA classic
Reply #2 - 07/24/07 at 06:18:09
 
Is EVO-ERP also called DBA the Next Generation?
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Re: Outgrew users on DBA classic
Reply #3 - 07/24/07 at 06:30:37
 
No!
 
  DBA NG (next Gen) is a NEW program from DBA Manufacturing. It has very little in common with DBA Classic and you would need to train your whole staff on how to use it.  Evo~ERP was written and is maintained by NovaZyg, and IStechSupport, for the thousands of customers DBA left behind. Evo~ERP is mostly a windows Graphical User Interface (GUI) menu to run DBA Classic. You keep your data, and all the same programs run the same (minor exception, We fixed a LOT of the DBA bugs) so no new learning curve for users.  
 
  Contact lynn@istechsupport.com or 1-866-516-3282 to get some more details.
 
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Re: Outgrew users on DBA classic
Reply #4 - 07/24/07 at 16:18:43
 
Currently on Pervasive 8, do I need to upgrade current users to Pervasive 9 or only add ons.
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Reply #5 - 07/24/07 at 16:26:39
 
You have to update what you have before you can buy more.  All Pervasive users need to be the same version.  And since you are growing past 5, you have to move from Workgroup to Client Server because Workgroup is maximum of 5 users in PSQL 8 & 9.
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Reply #6 - 09/28/07 at 12:10:08
 
Not to hijac, but if I understand from the posts above, I can update my 2000i to the latest Pervasive and continue to run my DBA Classic??? I didn't know that was possible.  
 
It would be great if I could as I have written an internal GUI that we use to interface to DBA via odbc (not a complete redo with all the menus like Evo - just specialized entry fields/reports that show only what I need my employees to see/change). I can't get a DAC component to talk to 2000i, but they are available for later versions of Pervasive. That would allow me to dump odbc and talk directly to the db which would be faster. Plus I could go client/server which should buy me some more speed I think in doing selects from bk/mticmstr.
 
I think we are running 12 users on Classic, so I would need 12 update to PSQL9 I assume.
 
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Reply #7 - 09/28/07 at 14:52:20
 
PSQL 9 is available in 6 or 10 or 20.  Email me directly, I can provide upgrade pricing depending on the user count you currently have.
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Re: Outgrew users on DBA classic
Reply #8 - 09/28/07 at 16:33:41
 
Peice of advice!
 
If you are using ODBC to access pervasive on a Windows Server,  Upgrade to 9.5. You will thank me later!  9.5 runs much better on WIndows 2000 and 2003 servers with the ability to control processors and optimize for ODBC connections through the microsoft OBDC engine.  Also  Make sure you have the latest patch for MDAC on the server.
 
Hope it helps,
 
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Reply #9 - 10/01/07 at 07:18:09
 
Tim,
 
Thanks for the info. If I upgrade to 9.5, I will able to bypass odbc and just link to the tables natively. I wrote my gui app in Borland C++ Builder and I can license a Pervasive Direct Access component for it. This should give me a big increase in speed as there won't be in odbc layer in the link.  
 
I was pretty far down the custom GUI path before I realized that Lynn had done the same thing. Had I know that I probably would have went that direction & probably should go ahead run both. However, having infinite control over how my employees interact with the system is a big plus for us and makes us that much better than our competitors. DBA has to work well across a multitude of industries. I can ignore that requirement and tailor the gui specifically to our little niche.  
 
I also use a MySQL back end in parallel for MRP features I have added that DBA either did not have/did not implement well & I access those natively. They are lightning fast compared to the ODBC->Pervasive. All of our barcoding, data collection, release document storage, audit trails on part information change, ect. I added into the Mysql. Accounting, parts, boms still live in Pervasive where it already has a good structure for them. Although sometimes looking through the tables I wonder what BK and MT were thinking.
 
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Reply #10 - 10/01/07 at 08:11:32
 
I'm firmly in Lenny's corner. No one MRP or ERP system fits our company well, nor can our little company afford to write something from scratch. The hybrid is the way to go. IS Tech has worked well with us hybrid folks so far and I prefer the current arrangement over working with an open source system. We have the rich, mature, stable feature set of a commercial application, plus the community atmosphere of a user-developed application.  
 
Also, I'd like to learn more about the parallel system for MRP. I may be interested in doing the same type of thing for scheduling / capacity planning.
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Re: Outgrew users on DBA classic
Reply #11 - 10/01/07 at 09:17:52
 
Quote from GasGiant on 10/01/07 at 08:11:32:
I'm firmly in Lenny's corner. No one MRP or ERP system fits our company well, nor can our little company afford to write something from scratch. The hybrid is the way to go. IS Tech has worked well with us hybrid folks so far and I prefer the current arrangement over working with an open source system. We have the rich, mature, stable feature set of a commercial application, plus the community atmosphere of a user-developed application.

Also, I'd be interested in learning more about the parallel system for MRP. I may be interested in do the same type of thing for scheduling / capacity planning.

 
I disagree about the part about open source (which, you probably would have figured I'd do.) There is nothing wrong with an open source ERP product. In fact, DBA was effectively open source up until ISTech took hold. For an example of a great open source ERP package goto www.postbooks.com It does pretty well everything EvoERP does but with a QT interface and it's free. This is definitely something to be said for being able to make changes yourself and/or look at the code to see how it works so that you can utilize it better.  
 
BTW, have you ever looked at the DBA source code you got on the old DBA disks? Have you never experienced really odd data glitches? I'd think twice before calling it either stable or mature. ISTech is doing a good job of changing that but you can't polish a turd into a diamond overnight.
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Reply #12 - 10/01/07 at 09:54:03
 
GasGiant,
 
The parallel information is nothing more than just a MySQL server running with your own custom tables defined in it. It's really just like writing your own from scratch as you design all the tables & relationships. Plus, you have to code your own GUI to read/write it all. DBA is not going to have *any* idea of these tables. Not an easy task, but if you have someone on staff who can do it, it's really nice.
 
All of our barcode tracking is in mysql. (We mfg circuit boards) All pcbs are barcoded when they are kitted and then scanned along every step such as: smt assy, reflow, aoi, through hole assy, inspection, test, conformal, final inspection, ship. ect. Plus I store other pieces in there as well such as mnf part information changes, bom changes, ect. DBA can do some of this as well, but anything new I use MySQL. No way would I try to duplicate what DBA has done with accounting/GL/AP/AR. I would never find all the bugs I would create.
 
Scheduling/Capacity planning is on my todo list as well. We are constantly growing as our sales starts pushing our mnf capacity, good planning/scheduling is mandatory. A nice interface with drag/drop & the ability to push/nudge jobs around to see the results would help a lot. There are off the shelf schedulers but again, it's the same issue. They are garden variety & we will have special needs.
 
One thing to be wary of. If you are paying your IT person to do these things and they leave, the knowledge goes with them. I can guarantee it won't be documented well enough for just anyone to drop right in. If it were documented that well, it would cost you 4x more to develop. So there is a downside to have a custom widgit. For us, it's a moot point since I am an owner as well as the resident SW/HW geek.
 
I also like open source & have thought about migrating to an open source erp, but we have a ton of time/money/training invested in DBA to just switch without good cause. Open source with no ability to buy support I don't think is good unless you are a SW guru. I think the DBA/EVO thing works for many people because you do have an option to pay someone to solve a problem for you.
 
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Reply #13 - 10/01/07 at 09:56:51
 
Quote from lenny_baledge on 10/01/07 at 09:54:03:
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I also like open source & have thought about migrating to an open source erp, but we have a ton of time/money/training invested in DBA to just switch without good cause. Open source with no ability to buy support I don't think is good unless you are a SW guru. I think the DBA/EVO thing works for many people because you do have an option to pay someone to solve a problem for you.
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It's a common misconception that open source means no support. Nothing could be further from the truth. You can get support for mySQL, PostgreSQL, Postbooks, Compiere, Open Office, etc. Support is available. That's never been a problem with the larger open source apps.
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Reply #14 - 10/01/07 at 10:33:29
 
Quote from lenny_baledge on 10/01/07 at 09:54:03:

Scheduling/Capacity planning is on my todo list as well. We are constantly growing as our sales starts pushing our mnf capacity, good planning/scheduling is mandatory. A nice interface with drag/drop & the ability to push/nudge jobs around to see the results would help a lot. There are off the shelf schedulers but again, it's the same issue. They are garden variety & we will have special needs.

 
Should be easier than MRP, and no need to write back to DBA (which I assume you had to do for POs, etc. with the MRP). I recently wrote a browser-based order entry system and have used MySQL for storing and working with quotes. It is faster, simpler, more flexible, and works nicely through VPN for our field sales and service people. I insert the orders into the EDI module as quotes where the production managers check, convert, acknowledge, and print sales orders. It has been working so well that I'm going to do the same type of thing for RMAs now that the unified returns module is complete.
 
Quote from lenny_baledge on 10/01/07 at 09:54:03:

One thing to be wary of. If you are paying your IT person to do these things and they leave, the knowledge goes with them. I can guarantee it won't be documented well enough for just anyone to drop right in. If it were documented that well, it would cost you 4x more to develop. So there is a downside to have a custom widgit. For us, it's a moot point since I am an owner as well as the resident SW/HW geek.

 
I am the IT person: systems analyst, MRP/ERP/CRM guru, web developer, programmer, IT project coordinator, etc. The tools that I have developed for our people are browser based and use standard web development tools like PHP, XHTML, DOM, Ajax, CSS, etc. Both the code and the project are documented, for my benefit as well as the company's, but my knowledge of DBA and its structure would take awhile to replace. However, if I were to walk away tomorrow, Evo will keep going and nothing would be lost except a bit of flexibility. By sticking with the hybrid the company is protected from the downside while I am free to spend as little or as much time as I want making things work better.
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